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Kyle Rains

Woodrow has always been attacked by others - those barbs only serve to galvanize the faithful. Sometimes the critics are jealous and or just can't understand what Woodrow is all about.

I predict one day Rod himself will have kids attending Woodrow. It's only a matter of time before he sees the light.

Lee G.

Shorter Rod Dreher: Woodrow would be a great school if it weren't for those idiot minorities.

Dreher's a racist. He masks it behind alot of dodgy rhetorical hedges, but that's what he is.

Robert

While reading this I couldn't help but think that while 75% meets or exceeds the average. Since when is 75% acceptable? If I rememer when I was in school a 75% grade was barely a "C" grade. Should parents or schools strive for better?

Norman Alston

The 75% number I used refers to the fact that there are 4 TAKS subject areas, Reading, Math, Science and Social Studies, and there are two ethnic subgroups specifically identified by Mr. Dreher, African-American and Hispanic. That means there are 8 different sets of scores to be considered. My point was that of those 8, the percentage of students passing the TAKS in 6 of the 8 (75%) of them met or exceeded the requirements of the TEA.

My point was that Mr. Dreher's characterization that "only a minority of Blacks and Hispanics" pass the TAKS is a glass-half-empty spin on what is really going on. In fact, the Hispanic passing rate met or exceeded TEA requirements in all 4 subject areas.

Also note that my very next statement was "while still too low overall". So no, Robert, I don't think nor did I suggest that anyone is or should be satisfied with those numbers. Since you brought it up, let me go a little farther.

I said I objected to Mr. Dreher's spin, not that he was wrong. Something I have alluded to but no one has said plainly is that the current requirements from TEA for 2007 only require that 40% of the students taking the TAKS science test pass it to be "Acceptable". It's 45% for math, 65% for Reading and 65% for Social Studies. So technically, less than half the students in a subgroup can pass TAKS and still be acceptable under current TEA standards. Take heart, however, in the fact that those requirements go up every year with the goal to get the requirements in all areas to 70%.

Typical White Person

Rod Dreher makes a living out of being a racist and a homophobe. He is a media whore. His holier than thou attitude is disgusting. He has a beard.

Edie

What's wrong with education is that many parents, of all races, make it known to both their children and to educators that they believe the child is entitled to graduate whether they do the work or not. They make excuses for what they have failed to instill in their children and blame educators for it, very often. There used to be a limit to how much of this the administration will tolerate, but in recent years, the ends have fallen off the envelope.

I do agree that Rod Dreher has a beard and am not well enough acquainted with his work to speak as to whether he is a racist or homophobe, but I did like the column he wrote on Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who I think deserves a medal for her dedication under great adverse pressure.

Rick Wamre

Typical White Person, your comments are over the top on Dreher; we don't allow name-calling here at Back Talk, but since Edie has already commented on your post, we're going to let it stand. Had she not commented and debunked your post, we would have pulled it. Besides, Dreher is entitled to his opinion, just like everyone else is, and this isn't the first time he has — deliberately or otherwise — stirred people up. The DMN's Points section has become much more interesting since his involvement with it, and he has written some thoughtful pieces; in fact, he wrote an interesting piece ostensibly about the Trinity vote awhile back (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/columnists/rdreher/stories/111107dnedidreher.1fd64cd30.html) that addressed some of the bigger issues better than anything else I saw published during that whole deal.
Edie: Your comments about parents and their sense of entitlement are correct. Over years of observing fellow parents in both public and private school settings, I've seen and heard about far more cases of out-of-control parenting than out-of-control teaching. I wish I knew the answer to that problem, because solving it would definitely impact the quality of our kids' education.

Edie

Good points, Rick. Any solution would have to be complex and expensive. Where I would start is having a special branch of social services, complete with family therapy, look into the parents and home life of children who are failing, whether academically or criminally. Make the parents culpable but also offer them some insight and solutions. I am actually astounded that this approach is at least not in place for parents of underage teens who cause pregnancy or become pregnant.

As a preventative approach, I believe we need to have more thorough sex ed and particularly parenting classes mandatory in early high school, classes which incorporate economics and other practical matters. I'd also like to see safety education teaching psychological and practical basics about sex offenders, stalking/jealousy, abuse, substances, and other common teen issues. Ironically, it is often the very best parents who can't fathom any parent who isn't as conscientious as they are and so cannot understand that this is needed for what may well be the majority of teens who DON'T have the best parents and won't get this information otherwise and will only continue the cycle.

Generally, I think we need to see much more comprehensive and mandatory psychological counseling in schools, which involves the parents. I know how people rail against "interference" by the government, but I think if anyone is watching the news right now with the raid of the polygamist compound, they may gain a new perspective.

Because of the isolating potential of home-schooling, I think that needs to be under the eye of a social services agency as well, because although most home-schoolers are blameless, home-schooling has the potential to hide abuse by isolating a child from having an outlet to report abuse and also by preventing them from having anything to compare their existence to so that they know if it is out of the norm.

There are solutions, but they don't come easy and they don't come cheap. Meanwhile, at the very least, we need to return power to the educators and stop allowing those parents who yell the loudest at the teacher dictate their kids' test scores. You know, a few years ago, Texas set a very low limit on how much a physician could be sued in a civil malpractice case. Maybe it's time we freed our educators of the fear of civil lawsuits from parents as well. It isn't as if they don't have just about everyone breathing down their neck monitoring them all the time anyway, whether it be parents, politicians, or press. Like you said, there's more out-of-control parents than out-of-control educators. It's time we held them culpable.

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